Fiat Palio 1.9 Diesel Starting Problem and Solution
Posted by Praneel
The Problem: There are many complaints from owners about the faulty fuel pump indicator and the eventual low torque revving of Fiat Palio 1.9 Diesel . There are funny stories and elaborate nightmares in gruesome detail told by those who endured the service department’s sensible touch. Some sold their cars and some got them fixed for the time being. But there seems to be no real solution for this. Insurance company won’t cover it, because it is not a manufacturing defect (at least according to Fiat). And Fiat is not promising warranty on either the Repaired Pump (By TVSE motors – for Rs. 25,000 they change the Faulty sensor in the pump) or the new Pump (costs Rs. 75,000). As a bonus you have to pay it from your pocket. This is going to continue until Fiat accepts that it is a major screw-up in their manufacturing and rectifies it.
The Solution: You have to start the engine 2 to 3 times until the indicator goes off. Once started, then usually there is no problem (except some public embarrassment).
March 31st, 2009 at 10:19 PM
please reply sir,
i have facing one problem in my palio desel car.is what while car running some times indicate engine check symble .that time actulator was not working and many of uncontrol.so pls give me the solution for me.
April 1st, 2009 at 9:32 AM
If engine check symbol is on even after the engine starts it indicates sensor defect, which is a common problem in pre 2008 Fiat Palio Diesel cars. You will get little or no transmission if it is on.
You have 3 solutions.
1) Get the sensor replaced with a new one at any Fiat Service center – Costs about Rs 75,000.
2) Get a repaired sensor from any Fiat service center for Rs 25,000.
There is no warranty from Fiat in both methods. The part might fail immediately or in 2 months- which happened to many Palio Diesel owners.
Or else you can
3) Start and turn off the car 2 to 3 times and the indicator might turn off.
(or)
Try this- put the key in (don’t turn it yet) and start it with one quick turn all the way (from off to ignition). It works almost all the time.
Normal Procedure: Key in >> Twist to start battery power >> wait for the heater and pump indicators to go off >> Twist more to start ignition.
Solution procedure: Key in >> Twist all the way to start ignition.
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But if your ignition heater coil indicator is ON, the problem is with one of the four heat sensors which can be replaced for RS 1,000 .
December 27th, 2009 at 12:29 AM
i am facing the same problem.. i do ur third method.. i.e start in one quick time… is it nt harmful for the vehicle? plz reply
December 27th, 2009 at 8:44 AM
Roshan, I didn’t have any problem for the past 4 years using that method. It’s just one faulty sensor. If you want to play it safe, you can turn the key from off to on (not to ignition) and back to off in 5 seconds then follow the 3rd procedure to start. This way you will be certainly giving the time required by the pump to fill up the chamber.
March 7th, 2010 at 5:44 PM
I am facing problem that my palio 1.9 D will start in first try and it will go off immediately within 1-3 seconds and then it will take much longer ignitions almost 8-9 times and then it will start.. or sometimes it wont start at all.. any suggestions plz
March 7th, 2010 at 5:47 PM
I am facing problem that my palio 1.9 D will start in first try and it will go off immediately within 1-3 seconds and then it will take much longer ignitions almost 8-9 times and then it will start.. or sometimes it wont start at all.. any suggestions plz
i have tried above 3rd method but it doesnt work and also there are no warning lights..
March 8th, 2010 at 6:06 AM
Get it checked immediately. It might be fixed with an oil or air filter change.
May 11th, 2010 at 12:33 PM
I have faced the same trouble with the ignition pump light and subsequent choking of the car performance. Unfortunately due to lack of good understanding with mechanics, there are various diagnosis (if anyone knows of a good mechanic in delhi NCR, please let me know). The solution of first turning on the colis and (step 1) and then immediately turning the key to ignition seems to do the trick for now. I must say though that for all my love of the car (last 4 years), getting spares and service are certainly a pain!
January 19th, 2011 at 3:07 PM
Hi i am facing a different problem which my fiat palio 1.9D engine is reworked in Bosh service centre, Before rework of engine the engine will start just like that and it will rock on the road with a good pickup and milage. My brother drove the car without seeing the tem gauage due to oil pup failure the engine got more heated and seazed. Now i reworked the engine but i am facing starting proble.
When i start in the morning with twice or thrise putting heater the car will start in few seconds but after drive it for a kilometer and if switch off the car and i try to start it won’t start it will give a noice like low battery the engine won’t crank properly.
I have changed a new battery but same problem, so once i swiched off the car i have wait for 15min and then if i start the car it will start, so every time when i stop the car i for any reason i have to wait for 15min or some times 30min to start it again.
Also the pickup is very poorthe engine noice is too high. If i switch on the AC the engine check light will start glow and the speed of the car reduced 50% immediately. to get the normal accelaration i have to switch off the AC and also i have to restart the car.
The Machenic in the Boseh service centre told that some sensor problem not able to findout.
Someone please let me knw what will be the problem and what will be the solution for this. I don’t want to sell this car because i have already spend arround 75000 for the re work of engine and tyres.
January 20th, 2011 at 10:33 AM
If the engine is starting again after 30 min, it could be a problem with cooler fan fuse or one of the heat sensors, which can be fixed easily by replacing the sensor or just cleaning it and checking the wiring for loose connections. I had this problem and it was fixed easily by local service by checking the right side cable bundle under the steering and fixing a loose connection, but it reappeared thrice later getting fixed with the same solution. The car later had battery recharge problem, power steering failure and transmission failure.
It is a good car and it was hard for me to sell it. I tried to fix it for more than the amount you mentioned to no avail. Finally I sold it for less than the amount I paid for repairs. I can empathize with you, but the fact is, you have to sell it or keep loosing money.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:42 PM
Hi Thanks for your reply, i don’t want to sell the car because it is running properly once it get started only problem is its not get starting easly whe it was in heat, Also i checked with the CONCORD people they checked the ECM with the examinar and told that the fuel pump have some problem the position sensor is not working in the fuel pump and suggested to repair the fuel pump and other things have no issues.
Is it right please let me know your comments.
Regards,
Vasanth.
June 27th, 2011 at 8:02 PM
Hi,
I am facing a problem in my Fiat Palio 1.9 D ELX model, the engine was overhalled by the bosch service centre from there my car is not starting when it is warm. When the engine is cold the car starts normaly but once its get heated if i cut off the engine and if i start it, it won’t start it will give noice like battery low but the battery is full charged, I have to leave the car for 30min to get cool and if i start now it will get start.
This problem is giving more problem in city traffic and don’t what could be the issue.
Can any help me what could be the problem and how to fix it?.
Is it the same as the Crank shaft sensor?.
Thanks & Regards,
Vasanth.
June 28th, 2011 at 10:37 AM
Hi Vasanth,
This might be caused by a faulty heat sensor. I got the same problem with my Palio and the car even stopped after driving for 30 min. Then I had to let it cool down for a while to get started again. One local car electrician had many such complaints and he took a radical approach by removing the heat sensor connection. He did the same to my car until he got the sensor replaced after 3 weeks. Better get it fixed right away since their service is a bit faster now. The sensor does not cost much, afaik below Rs. 5000.
Hope that helps
September 20th, 2011 at 6:34 PM
in my palio i changed power stearing belt and pully several times
wht is the problem, once i change it works only belo 3000kms
October 5th, 2011 at 1:31 PM
Hi,
I have changed the Heat sensor but the problem didn’t fix, here my problem is once the car engine reached 40-50 degree C heat if i switch off the car it won’t start immediately it will crank like a low battery symptom, even if i change new battery at that time it won’t start, once the heat is reduced to 10-20 degree then only it will start.
Due to this reason now i have rebuild the engine again but till the problem is not solved.
It seems when it is hot the full power from the battery is not supplied to starter, is there any possible for this please help me i have spend a lot for this car so i don’t want to sell this.
Any one give me the solution.
Thanks,
Vasanth.
October 10th, 2011 at 1:11 PM
Scanner, spare parts, spare parts cost and technical know how unavailibilty for fiat diesel 1.9 litre palio cars in india.
Almost all 1.9 litre diesel palio of the 2003/2004 model in the country have developed a technical snag in the country. There are tons and tons of complaints of a similar nature which can be viewed in google if the fiat service team is really considers customer service as a belief in its organization . Yet fiat India’s head honchos remain oblivious to the fact and are not ready to accept that this Is a manufacturing defect. Some of the most common defects are
1) fuel ignition sensor problem repairing which does not warranty proper functioning
2) Startup and idling/standby problems
3) Spare part,repairing and technical know-how which are more expensive than the car itself
Though the car is beauty in its power and pickup I have spent more amount on car repairs other than it regular servicing and maintenance than the cars original value.
I hope the fiat guys actually reads this and revert too
December 15th, 2011 at 10:02 AM
my petra 1.9 elx starts and after a few kilometers run it turns off.i have to wait until it cools down to start again.please help
December 28th, 2011 at 1:33 PM
I have a Palio 2004 make and it have a fuel ignition light problem some times. More than that the there is a little louder knocking sound coming from the engine side. I have spend 25000 with fiat service centre to rework the head and the problem remains the same. Now they say engine has to be worked… Can any body pls advice.
February 16th, 2012 at 9:58 PM
Dear friends
The Palio 1.9 ELX engine starting problem solved by my mechanic replace orignal fuel pump in to FORD IKON fuel pump it is match no trouble,no need sensor connection,replace acclerator pedal in to wire control pedal it is only soluction for palio 1.9 elx problems.
April 27th, 2012 at 10:46 PM
hi,
i have palio diesel 2004 model,
i have problem of ignition heater indicators light not comes on due to which car doesnt start, i am fed up with this problem, i will never advice even my enemy to buy fiat palio, i will sell it when the problem will be solved, the most worse car on earth is fiat, they don’t have spare parts, and neither proper trained mechanics, tata indica mechanics repair fiat cars, and they dont know about sensors of fiat, so my advice is never buy fiat cars
May 16th, 2012 at 10:12 PM
Dear Sir,
i need Crank for my Fiat palia diesel car 2003 model EL may i know what is the price?
May 21st, 2012 at 10:10 PM
Fiat Palio 1.9 Diesel check engine lite kabhi band hoti he kabi band nahi hoti direkt sell marte heto band hojatihe
June 14th, 2012 at 9:39 PM
the worst vehicle in the world
June 17th, 2012 at 8:26 AM
Diesel pump is suctioning but it is not supplying in nozzel pipe
June 17th, 2012 at 1:55 PM
Hi All,
I own a 1.9 diesel. The fuel pump has gone faulty. Any info on service centres ? ….Thanks
June 21st, 2012 at 7:43 PM
Hi,
i have a palio 1.9 diesel and i had issues with pump and got it rectified at Hari prasad auto garage, shankarmutt road, chamrajpet,bangalore.
thanks,
Suresh K
July 19th, 2012 at 11:29 AM
Hi Suresh,
Got similar problm as yours, can you pls send me your contact no. wanna talk to you reg. same. ..Thanks
August 12th, 2012 at 4:23 PM
ONE IS IN MUMBAI , BY LUCAS INDIAN SERVICES,
ANDHERI KURLA RD, MUMBAI 059
August 23rd, 2012 at 11:04 AM
Hi Suresh,
My car may get similar problm as yours in future, can you pls send me your contact number. I wanted talk to you regarding the same.
regards,
Vijay B R
September 14th, 2012 at 2:17 AM
my palio 1.9 diesel has a very different problem after starting the starting the engine i have to switch off the engine and start it again because after starting the engine first time the car does not gives the Excelerator, but after starting the engine second time it works perfectly i have visited many workshops but the problem is
not solve still now,
after starting the car with the key it does not switch off with the key and after switching off the key the key
comes out but the engine still is on
September 25th, 2012 at 2:49 PM
Hi Suresh,
First of all how you are saying the fuel pump is not working. Second find out the code using the scanner. The error code will gives the info of where is the fault. If the crank shaft is fault means the pump won’t supply diesel. Let me know in detail i will give the solution for that. I have a better experience in Palio 1.9D.
I have faced lot of issue and have fixed everything using the farms and the info in the internet in step by step.
Regards,
Vasanth.
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September 25th, 2012 at 3:03 PM
Hi souvik,
If the accelerator is not working at the first time and working after restating means there may be an issue with the position sensor in the fuel pump. First scan the ECM and find out the error code. Let me know the error code i will give a solution. If it is really a position sensor error in the fuel pump it cost more. Instead of repairing it you can do a alteration of fixing the ford ikon 1.8D fuel pump which mechanical pump.
After starting the car, the car is not switching off through the key means there is a shot circuit in the electrical wiring. Check the fuse, relay and the wires at the side of the coolent tank. replace the 5 pin relay at the side of the coolent and the shock absorber. Don’t give the car for service who doesn’t know about the fiat technologies. The fiat technology is not too complicate if one really understand it.
Regards,
Vasanth.
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September 27th, 2012 at 2:13 PM
What would be the cost of changing fuel pump from Fiat 1.9D to Fort Ikon 1.8D with mechanical pump including labour cost? Please help me out, I am in badly need of it.
Thanking you.
September 28th, 2012 at 10:30 AM
It cost around 18-20K including labour. Before do this first check where there is really problem in your fuel pump. Because most of the mechanic’s doesn’t know about it. If you have the error code which generated when scanning you can check with Lucus TVS in mumbai. The will let you know how much it will cost for servicing,The service depend on which sensor is issue in the pump. Sometimes it will works out cheaper too. Check before changing the fuel pump.
Where are you from? do you have a good mechanic to do the fuel alteration?. Do it with a well knowledged mechanic.
September 29th, 2012 at 4:19 PM
Hi! Vasanth,
The error code on my 1.9 D palio is 0322 which means Ignition/Distributor Engine Speed circuit no siganl . Do you have any idea ? The engine does not crank at all. When i clear the DTC ,i get the message “System is OK” then one in 10 times ,the engine cranks for few seconds and then stops. I started my own Car Scanning business just few months ago in New Delhi.But i have never had much experience with Fiat Palio . If you any idea,please share.
Thanks,
Parvinder
09811263307
October 1st, 2012 at 9:52 AM
Hi Parvinder,
Please check the crankshaft sensor, this may occur only if the crankshaft sensor is bad.
Regards,
Vasanth.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:05 AM
Hi! Vasanth,
Thanks for your kind reply on phone & here also. I have no words for your kind efforts to help me out. I will reply as soon as i can after resolving this.
Regards,
Parvinder
October 1st, 2012 at 5:46 PM
Hi! Vasanth,
you were absolutely right. My mechanic found the crankshaft sensor just very close to starting motor(self),he removed it & we clean it but before connecting it, we scanned once again & we found the same DTC P0322 & then we connected it & this error code gone & the message was System OK ,we managed to crank the engine offcourse because of your kind information that u shared with me. After few minutes,we scanned once again & now we are getting error P0310 which means to do Throttle position sensor error.Can you help me again to locate this & also if you have factory service manual,please share the information.
Thank u sooooooooooo much.
Regards,
Parvinder
October 1st, 2012 at 5:51 PM
Hi! Vasanth,
In my last reply, i mistyped it as P0310 ,it is P0510 which states here : -
http://www.permoveo.ltd.uk/tabid/122/OBD-Error-Code/P0510/Diagnostics/Fiat/Default.aspx
Regards,
Parvinder
October 15th, 2012 at 12:36 PM
Hi Parvinder,
As per our last tele conv, how is your car now, have you seen any update. Please when you have time.
Regards,
Vasanth.
October 15th, 2012 at 12:40 PM
Hi MR. Ramanuja,
As i told you scan you ECU and let me know the error code stored in that, also check all the sensor cables were perfectly pluged before scanning.
We will sure find a solution for your issue, Also try to update your experience in the blog so that others can get update on there issues.
Regards,
Vasanth.
October 25th, 2012 at 12:59 AM
I bought a 2nd hand Palio 1.3 MJD which had done 80k and after driving it for last 5 months i am getting the injector signal and heater signal on on the console. The heater signal blink 3 times and then switches off and then the injector signal stays on. Any help on this as the nearest service station is 250+ km from my town. Thanks in advance.
October 28th, 2012 at 6:20 PM
Hi Vasanth,
Can u pls suggest me what i need to do for my car(palio 1.9 d elx)i am facing the same problem pump light.
I already sent once to mumbai for error rectification, it was fine for 10 months now the problem again aroused & i am totally broken with this issue, i have given to mechanic even he is stuggling to find a alternative pump(which is currently running)for replacment.
My mechanic also suggested for altering with TOYOTA pump, I am not sure about this idea.
Kindly let me know what measures have u taken?
Is ur car is completely fine without any trouble with pump light?
What shuld I do, suld I go for replacement or with alteration with toyota pump.
Your help is really valuable for me, I almost spent 1.5L for this car for break booster,pump rectification once in mumbai,engine work,tyres,oil pump for leakage issue and suspension problem.
Thanks in adance
BR,
Harsha
November 5th, 2012 at 10:56 AM
HI Harsha,
Call me and let me know the current situation, we will find the solution. Changing TOYOTA pump is not easy and the mechanic should have better experience in this process. If you need to replace the pump i have a guy who is having the good running pump itself.
Regards,
Vasanth.
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January 24th, 2013 at 11:05 AM
Hi,
Guys! if anybody interested to buy my 1.9 diesel Palio which is in New Delhi just for Rs65000/-. The Car is in runing condition but the paint & tires need to be done.The milege is around 15KMS/ltr which is good enough.
January 24th, 2013 at 11:08 AM
My contact details :9811263307.
Apart from all these, i have part time car scanning & Car keys(ikeys) facility available with me,if you have any issues with any brand of car,just contact me.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:40 PM
I am having the fiat palio 1.9 d 2004 the prob is in the first start the MIL glows continuesly even engine started .. we need to turn off the engine and restart the same then the MIL is goes off.. after 2 km run it again glows and remain constant till next restart of the engine.
Pls reply how can i rectify the same ..
Thanks,
Sagar
Buldana (M.S.)
9860106010/9890001700
March 25th, 2013 at 12:47 PM
i am having a palio D1.9, its proble is that when u stant it, the engine starts but it gives a missing soung and the hazard warning lights keeps o n glowing and the vehicle does not accelerate. when u off the engine and restart it its ok and the lights go off, but in the running the vehicele gives a gerky feeling, i took the vehicle for a scan at a bosch servise station at kollam they scaned and the erroe code was P0245 rotor positioning sensor malfunction. can u suggest a femeddy for this thanks anil raj, kollam kerala
March 29th, 2013 at 2:50 PM
Hi Raj,
Call me will discuss for the solution.
Regards,
Vasanth
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April 29th, 2013 at 6:04 PM
Hello Vasanth,
I am having (Palio 1.9 D 2004).I am from delhi. My car have the same issue (Pump Problem – Error code P0510). i have read all the complaints about fiat palio,Is there any permanent solution of this problem….? Is this problem effect other parts of engine.I am sure the customer don’t have only one major issue, infact in most of the cases customer complaint about heating the car, which is because of Car Fan’s. If it is manufacturing fault then why not to Sue the
company through legal procedure?
Kindly advice….
Regards,
Dheeraj
April 30th, 2013 at 5:39 PM
Hi Dheeraj,
Please let me know you issue in detail, as when the problem started and what are solutions you have taken.
Possible call me will discuss in detail and come to a solution easily.
Regards,
Vasanth.
May 16th, 2013 at 10:16 AM
Dear sir,
I have purchased a secound hand car fiat palio diesel 2005 model … The car is in pretty bad shape … Their is a fan belt noise while driving ,engine nocking is their while the car is on and in steady position , I had used fiat uno few years back and had used it for a good 5 to 6 years and had enjoyed a lot as I frequently travel between pune and mumbai ..so I made this decision …. Have I made a wrong decision …. After reading so much problems … I am afraid … But only hope … Is from u that I will get the correct and reliable guidance …I am taking my car to garage … Will write to u what he tells…
Regards samir
May 20th, 2013 at 11:31 AM
Hi Samir,
Don’t worry we will try to our best to fix your issues also if possible please call me and let me know your issues in detail.
Regards,
Vasanth
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